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Old Apr 18, 2009, 03:28 AM // 03:28   #1
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I was wondering when it behooves a warrior to go + str vs +xxx mastery on helm? is there a data print out as to dmg output and respective permutations comparing the two?

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Old Apr 18, 2009, 04:33 AM // 04:33   #2
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IMO the helm should have a weapon mastery if it is a +1 weapons helm. Since you only need 1 strength rune, you can put it on another piece of armor in most cases.
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Old Apr 18, 2009, 04:39 AM // 04:39   #3
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Sometimes 14 Strength, 13 or 14 Hammer (guess I should say weapon) is run when using [[Enraging Charge]. Significant difference between them.

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Old Apr 18, 2009, 04:39 AM // 04:39   #4
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go +str on helm when you are interested in wearing sentinel's insignias and hit the +4 adrenaline breakpoint for enraging charge. basically, you'll want this when going hammer.

you can probably do the same with warrior's endurance axe, since it gives you +2 damage to your uber power attack and protector's strike. but then again, you might still do more damage with the standard 14 axe 13 str than this.
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Old Apr 18, 2009, 04:51 AM // 04:51   #5
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Sometimes 14 Strength, 13 or 14 Hammer (guess I should say weapon) is run when using [[Enraging Charge]. Significant difference between them.

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Then unless you are running a +1 weapon, +2str helm (or+1str +1or2 weapon) I'd almost say you'd need to have a second armor slot you are going to be swapping out to do that.

Anyways, since your helm is going to be swapped when you swap a weapon, it should usually have the weapon stat on it. That keeps things simple.
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Old Apr 18, 2009, 05:11 AM // 05:11   #6
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After 12, each point of mastery adds only something like an additional 3% damage...

Recently I switched to 14 strength 13 hammer for a faster charging dev, and it only lowered my critical hit from 73 to 71.
I'm considering making a build with 12 hammer 14 strength, 6 something else (conjure) ?

Basically 14 strength 13 mastery on axe/sword = no, but on hammer = yes, if you want.

Either way it doesn't make a big difference.

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Old Apr 18, 2009, 09:41 AM // 09:41   #7
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I'd go for a +Str +Str Helmet when running any Warriors Endurance build because it makes it much easier to reach the 31 second duration time so that you can always have it up (y)... Also the +Str will add more damage to Power Attack, Protectors Strike, Bulls Strike, Increase adrenaline for Enraging Charge when specced at 14.

Also baring in mind that Warriors Endurance builds are so versatile and used widely across PvE and PvP it's worth crafting a helm just to run that build more effectively imo...

And yes i do run Warriors Endurance builds... And i <3 them =)

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Old Apr 18, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34   #8
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Depends entirely on your build. If you're talking about pure damage, the difference between 14 strength/13 weapons mastery and 13 strength/14 weapons mastery is going to be marginal. So you have to make the decision on the basis of your specific skills. For example, if you're using the old ["for great justice!" (pve)]/[dragon slash] combination, you need 14 swordsmanship in order to make [dragon slash] recharge itself with 10 adren.

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I was wondering when it behooves a warrior to go + str vs +xxx mastery on helm? is there a data print out as to dmg output and respective permutations comparing the two?
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Old Apr 19, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30   #9
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i use d slash with only 12 sword and it recharges itself...
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Old Apr 19, 2009, 02:03 AM // 02:03   #10
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That shouldn't happen with that combination unless it is a bug or something else is going on.

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Old Apr 19, 2009, 07:45 AM // 07:45   #11
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That should happen. Remember, the attack itself nets you 1 strike, then another 4 from Dragon Slash. That's 5, doubled to 10 from FGJ.

14 Swordsmanship nets you 6 strikes.
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Old Apr 19, 2009, 11:36 PM // 23:36   #12
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Hmmm, my first response to this was "completely wrong," but I've read the article on [dragon slash] in the wiki and you seem to be right!

The problem is...I've never gotten [dragon slash] to recharge with 12 swordsmanship. (Yes, I've tried it.) It recharges with 14 only.

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That should happen. Remember, the attack itself nets you 1 strike, then another 4 from Dragon Slash. That's 5, doubled to 10 from FGJ.

14 Swordsmanship nets you 6 strikes.

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Old Apr 19, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45   #13
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the adren loss occurs on skill activation...the adren gain occurs on hit, which is slightly after activation. so afaik (i haven't tested nor do i use dslash), dslash should technically be able to recharge itself @ 12 swordsmanship.
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Old Apr 20, 2009, 04:07 AM // 04:07   #14
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I just tried it and it does seem to be recharging. :|
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Old Apr 20, 2009, 05:33 AM // 05:33   #15
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I wonder if they recently tweaked the skill without informing anybody. I know that it never used to recharge with 12.
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Old Apr 20, 2009, 11:41 PM // 23:41   #16
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Part of me would like to say yes because to the best of my memory, the hit that you used the skill on didn't give you any ade back for that skill. It would subtract one from all your other skills and if it hit, give you that strike back.
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Old Apr 21, 2009, 01:08 AM // 01:08   #17
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If you are running a W/D WE ScytheWarrior, you can't use a Weapon Rune, and you'd be using a Strength Helm.

Sometimes when using a WE bar with Axe you could.
I generally run a Strength Helm over a Hammer Helm when using a Hammer build.
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Old Apr 21, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14   #18
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[Enraging Charge] is the only compelling reason to go strength. Even on WE axe is slightly better, on most builds WM is far better. Armor penetration is FTL.
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Old Apr 21, 2009, 03:43 AM // 03:43   #19
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That's how I remember it too.

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Part of me would like to say yes because to the best of my memory, the hit that you used the skill on didn't give you any ade back for that skill. It would subtract one from all your other skills and if it hit, give you that strike back.
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Old Apr 21, 2009, 05:00 AM // 05:00   #20
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I wonder if they recently tweaked the skill without informing anybody. I know that it never used to recharge with 12.
How long ago was this? If it was far enough back, FGJ! only gave 50% extra adrenaline, so you wouldn't have had DS recharging itself even at 14+ mastery.
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